Sam Moss, Failure is the only option.
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No, I don't think there is any reason to believe that ayahuasca is a cure for depression, or even a reasonable treatment for any case of Major Depressive Disorder.
You will undoubtedly find some anecdotal evidence online or directly from other people, but modern medicine is literally built on the fact that assuming that because one, or even a few people report being helped does not amount to evidence for a cure.
When you consider potential medical treatments for a disease you have to take into account a lot of information that might(read:will) be lost in anecdotes. There is the placebo effect, the tendency for some diseases to naturally remit over time, other changes in a persons' life that might be concurrent with the use of the drug, changes in diet or setting and a million others. As far as I am concerned anecdotal evidence that supports ayahuasca (or any drug) curing MDD (or any disease) is about as worthy of belief as anecdotal evidence of faith healing. Bottom line.
These are just a few reasons that modern drug testing is a huge, long and expensive ordeal. You are trying to get rid of all the noise and figure out one thing: does this drug reduce the symptoms of this disease. This has not been done with ayahuasca (or it's psychedelic constituent) and so there is no good reason, at this point, to believe that it can treat or cure any disease, including Major Depressive Disorder.
While the jury is still out in the scientific community as to what exactly the root causes of Major Depressive Disorder (MDD) as far as I understand, from reading some of the recent scholarly literature, there is not a whole lot of reason to believe that a drug like N,N,-DMT would be a long term cure for MDD. This does not mean that some of the symptoms of MDD might abate in some people for a short amount of time (in fact this phenomenon has been found with ketamine therapy, and it works great in some people for a little while) but a cure would mean a long term absence of symptoms, and barring high-quality data that supports this, there is just no reason to believe that N,N-DMT is a cure for MDD.
One important thing to note is that many (I would assume all) mixtures of ayahuasca contain Banisteriopsis caapi, a vine that produces alkaloids that function as Monoamine oxidase inhibitors (MAOI). MAOI's were widely used to treat depression in the 1950's but are not widely used front-line drugs now because the effets secondaires can be pretty bad. It is very possible that a person whose MDD was helped by ayahuasca would benefit as much from an MAOI regimen without the psychedelic experience.
What I think is most important is to note that MDD and its treatment is extraordinarily heterogeneous. With nearly every pharmaceutical and non-pharmaceutical treatment for MDD one sees a 30% success rate. Even more important: some drugs work great for some people, but do nothing for others. I think the general consensus is that MDD is a set of symptoms (which, strangely, can present in apparently opposite ways in two different people, for instance one person with weight gain and lethargy and another with anxiety and insomnia could both be diagnosed with MDD) with a variety of underlying causes. This heterogeneity is important because it means that, even if ayahuasca, or N,N,-DMT worked for one, or two people there is no guarantee that it would work for everyone, or even most people.
Finally, when considering drugs, or cures, we have to weight the benefits with the potential for negative side effects. I think anyone who has been on an anti-depressant regimen can tell you that the side effects can be rough: loss of sex drive, weight gain plus a million others. When it comes to ayahuasca the side effects might outweigh any benefits. The experience can be intensely frightening, the dosage is not standardized (and hard to measure), and, in some rare cases, it could kick off a psychotic episode.
(If any of this is found to change in the future I will gladly change my opinion, but I'm not holding my breath.)
Christopher Daniels, Coffee Overlord
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I'm not sure why you haven't found negative comments on ayahuasca. Obviously Sam M. did. I think maybe part of the reason there are so many positive reports is that people take part in group ceremonies and this social aspect is an important part of the positive experiences. For people who smoke DMT alone or use an arbitrary MAOI with DMT, I'm sure you will find a lot more negative reports. Checkout the book DMT: The Spirit Molecule by R Strassman, (I link to his website here for convenience, its presence is all over the 'net).
There have been many reports of depression alleviated by ayahausca ceremonies. Whether it is a cure is up for debate, as in the US it is a Schedule 1 substance and no one since Strassman has been given permission to do any scientific experiments on DMT or natural DMT containing substances. If it were allowed, I think skeptics might be humbled, but skepticism is safe for now because experiments are basically forbidden. I would also emphasize that an ayahuasca ceremony is rather a drastic step and it is prudent to try other, perhaps more conventional treatments first.
Mikis Hasson, Founder at TierraMitica (2012-present)
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Ayahuasca is not a cure for anything, she is (among other things) a powerful diagnostic and psychoanalytic tool that peuvent heal depression together with many other issues, psychological and physical. But like any tool, she is only effective if used correctly, with proper guidance and under the right conditions, intention and focus. Like any tool, used wrongly she can produce adverse effects and can even be dangerous if used in conjunction with other substances, unguided and under the wrong circumstances.
And actually there is a lot of negativity about her use on the net, some of it unjustified but some of it justified. The use of the ayahuasca as an entertainment drug with no supervision, with dubious admixtures and quality and the spiritual tourism and business machine that has been assembled to explore her popularity are definitely some justified issues warranting concern,
Mark Dunn, struggled with depression for years, "won" the fight by realizing it isn't one.
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Since we cannot scientifically state what causes depression, we cannot scientifically state that something cures it.
Psychologically speaking, many people do experience an alleviation of depression after undergoing one or more clinical or ceremonial uses of natural psychoactive compounds, like ayahausca or psilocybin mushrooms.
I think this is a twofold mechanism---our mentality is a very common cause of anxiety, depression, and other things considered 'mental disorder', and radical alteration of our previous conceptual realities can mean a freedom from thought patterns and emotional perspectives that created and maintained these mindsets/'disorders'.
Secondly, psychoactive compounds tend to act in ways that very directly facilitate the experience of greater neurological functioning towards what we emotionally experience as satisfaction, unity, pleasure, understanding, peace, etc. This short-term boost can help us choose healthier ways of long term living, or give us a break from the negative consequences of our unhealthy ways of living.
Though negative responses certainly exist around the internet, perhaps some people find less negative responses regarding ayahuasca online because the side effects do not express the same way as in conventional medicinal treatments, and because a lot of people try ayahuasca more responsibly, more limitedly, or towards recreational experiences they understand to run the risk of certain negative side effects.
Psychotropic substances of toutes sort have the potential to upend your neurochemistry in a way we experience as mauvais, or very bad. However, the use of natural substances tends to have a more balanced internal reception, and also entail less constant drugging and accumulating toxicity.
Many users experience greater efficacy and fewer damages using things like ayahuasca rather than the pharmaceutical approach of chemically inventing substances our brains did not evolve in contact with and trying to fake biological processes instead of facilitating the regeneration of our health through our own normal biological functioning.
Cela ne ne pas mean that ayahuasca and other natural substances are without risk, or that they are guaranteed to work. And, like any other psychotropic, their usage should be guided by a knowledgeable and experienced practitioner, whether that means an MD, a shaman, or a layman psychonaut who takes these things seriously and has done sufficient reading, learning, and experiencing.
Could ayahuasca help a particular person overcome depression? Potentially, sure. Everyone is different, and how we respond to substances, social situations, and our own mindsets can create a wide range of responsiveness and risk levels across populations.
There is scientific support for the claim that traditional psychoactive compounds have clinical efficacy and appropriateness. There is also significant scientific support against the general treatment of pharmaceutical methods as relatively safe and effective. When it comes to your own health, it is your responsibility to keep yourself, informed, critically minded, and to base your decisions on what you feel is best for your situation overall.
Sam Billings, I have had just one ayahuasca experience but it was totally amazing.
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In some circumstances taking ayahuasca can be a cure for depression. I know a woman who claims her depression went away after she took ayahuasca and it has never come back. I myself have taken ayahuasca and for months afterwards I felt very at peace with everything, no sign of depression where before I took it, I did have depression. However after some time, the ayahuasca effects wear off and for some people the depression can come back. But for others, the depression may not come back, it all depends on what you learned during your experience.
Aya Quest, Shaman/Chief Medicine Man -Ayahuasca/Kambo USA- KY at Aya Quest (2002-present)
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Ayahuasca has cured depression as it resets your serotonin system to include propigating receptors, more importantly is many people will see “life” from a new perspective “IF” they do the inner work of taking control of their inner dialog.
Ayahuasca is NOT a miracle, you must do the work.