En tant que personne avec un QI élevé, comment repérez-vous les faux qui prétendent être intelligents mais qui ne le sont pas?

Elias Lazar

Elias Lazar, studied Mathematicians & Science of Success at University of Vienna

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  1. They tend to talk very often about how “high my IQ is”; if you find someone showing it off all the time it can mean one of two things; a) Their only current perceived strength is in the endeavour of the intellectual while social areas are neglected or maybe even less capable, b) Their real subconsciously-perceived intellectual strength is significantly below the desired amount.
  2. They tend to subtlely use extra-complicated vocabulary and make sentences more difficult instead of simpler. In mathematics the consensus is that the most beautiful explanations are the ones which need the least amount of both symbols AND theory to explain an observation. The same is true for all intellectual activities, because math is ‘just’ an abstract summary of it all. But one has to be careful here; sometimes an intelligent guy has the favor to use his rich vocabulary. The difference to the former guy is subtle; you can recognise it in their fluency of speaking/writing. If it comes across more natural, then it’s a real expression of his intellect, otherwise it’s just an ego-game. Ask your intuition to find out, but sometime you need to read quite a lot from both guys to really tell who is who. So, please, be careful in order to avoid unpleasant intellectual discrimination.
  3. When writing to you, they tend to focus excessively on intellect- rich topics; so even if they don’t use rich vocabulary, they still can try to prove their intelligence to you by somehow ‘forcing’ you to talk about only comprehension-rich subjects. But please be careful here too. Many intelligent people love such topics but their intention isn’t to show off in a way. It’s only if the person tends to explain soooo much without being asked, It’s if he gives too much valuable information to you without any wish for him returning his effort (the payment is the increased strength of his intelligence- self image. )

Tony Iacono

Tony Iacono, a étudié à l'Université McGill

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Intelligent people tend to be interested and curious about many things and things related to those things. In other words, they are thirsty for knowledge.

They also question things that others take for granted as being true. They come to the same conclusions, but by having derived it or thought through it themselves, they have an understanding of why it is true.

Their curiosity makes them appear weird, almost obsessive to the ordinary person. They want to know why, how and what, with regard to many things and they struggle with the answer to questions that others have not even acknowledged or would care to find out about.

They are also aware that they know very little about any particular topic. Even the subjects they know very much about, they are aware that they know alot compared to the average person, but very little with respect to what mankind knows about that particular topic.

Even when they don’t know much about a particular topic, they often are curious about scratching the surface of that topic and then digging deeper and deeper. In other words, they are curious about many things, if not what seems like everything.

In any conversation, even those that are about a topic they have no knowledge about, they will be heavily involved in that conversation, not as the one sharing knowledge but as the person inquiring about that subject they know very little about - by asking questions that will expand their knowledge of that topic.

They also ask for clarifications because they know that by the very nature of language and communication, too often things are unclear and require further clarification.

They also don’t make any assumptions or if they do, they state what assumptions they have made or if it’s safe to make a particular assumption.

Part of being intelligent, one might argue, is also being emotionally mature or emotionally intelligent, if you will.

That said, they will be confident in what they do know and also confident that there are many things they do not know. They will have no problem revealing when they don’t know much about a particulur subject or of a finer point about that which is being discussed.

In other words, they are ready to say “I don’t know”. This is also because there is so much that they do know, that their ego is not hurt by not knowing something. They know that only a fool pretends to know everything. Of course, this is accompanied by their knowing so much about so many other things.

In any debate or discussion, they will readily acknowledge when you have made an excellent point - even if it flies in the face of what they may have argued in favor of. And that’s because they are intelligent enough to recognize that you have made an intelligent point and they are also secure enough in their intelligence.

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In other words, they don’t need to be right all of the time. I am paraphrasing because I cannot find the original quote but here it is : “ Only a fool sticks to his orginal position in the face of evidence to the contrary. ”

They don’t ask for clarifications to questions like this one.

What did you mean when you said “high IQ” ?

What did you mean when you said “smart” ?

Would it be the same criteria that we used to define “high IQ” ?

I would not be comfortable making that assumption.

That said, I don’t make an effort to spot the fakers, they reveal themselves in due time.

Don’t spend too much time trying to spot them. There is so much knowledge to be aquired, that spending time on such an endeavor is a waste of valuable time. At they very least, it is time that could be better spent, at least in my humble opinion. On second thought, I can see how it would be highly interesting. LOL HAHA

Colleen Farrelly

Colleen Farrelly, Data Scientist/Poet/Social Scientist/Topologist (2009-present)

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It becomes obvious very quickly. Bragging about finishing a college degree is one clue. Complaining about the difficulty of something and bringing up test scores is another. I was in a biology lab once, and a girl was complaining about how difficult the class was and how she had gotten a 26 on the ACT. I assumed she meant scores from a talent search program. She actually meant high school. Same for folks bragging about a 130 on an IQ test.

Interests are another clue. Very high IQ people tend to gravitate towards intellectual hobbies. Surprisingly, the general population doesn't consider classical literature or popular science books evening reading, and few people watch documentaries these days (at least, in the US).

People who are relatively bright but not far out there tend to make things a lot more complicated than they are when explaining academic terms/concepts. Most of the time, the material is much simpler than it would seem from their explanations.

Eddie S Jackson

Eddie S Jackson, M.S., B.S., 40+ Industry Certifications.

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It is more difficult than you might think, and far less important than most think. IQ rates potential—BUT—that is in children (what the test was created for), not adults. Adults are not judged on their IQ range; if only if it were that simple. Imagine showing up at a job interview and submitting your official IQ test record, and solely based upon that, you garnered immediate employment and benefits. It is laughable.

The rub is, [high] IQ isn’t something that automatically makes you smart—what we consider to be smart, that is. That is problem number one.

Problem number two is, IQ has socio-economic controversy surrounding it, meaning…the bias associated with demographics. There have been numerous studies advocating newer testing methods and intelligence models, to more accurately measure a child’s given potential.

Do I agree with this? I believe IQ testing was fashioned by and for the western world---there is no reason why an IQ test would not be effective for gauging western children. I cannot fathom how our children would be negatively impacted by some large scale, global bias, by a test that was engineered for them. I have taken an official IQ test (when I was 11). It was not hard; basic numbers and words, associations, and some spatial reasoning—I would hope any American child could take it. But, I digress.

Problem number three, are the fakers (often braggarts) you mentioned. Strangely, those people exist with high and mediocre IQ scores. Thus, probably one of the greatest harms we can do to ourselves as a society, is praise intelligence without action; to bestow some kind of social adoration and intellectual value, when neither have been earned.

Times are weird right now. Entitlement does seem to be on the rise. To those out there that need to lie about having a high IQ, you do not need it to be successful; you do not need it to be significant. To those out there that have high IQ’s, do not rely on that to get you by in life. Otherwise, you are in for a rude awakening.

It has always been my belief that a person’s character is deeper and richer than a test score. It is why I can—and do regularly—strike up conversations with custodians, security detail, servers, neighbors, etc., etc., etc. Every single person has something they can teach you. It is a shame, and a mistake, to exalt oneself so high, that you miss out on life’s many lessons. One of my heroes is Richard Feynman. He has taught me much about enjoying life.

But, back to the original question: How do you spot a faker? Unless you have access to their medical records, which you will not, you most likely cannot. People will surprise you; their test scores will surprise you. There is no single formula to spot a faker, over just a braggart. Now, spotting a smart person, over a dumb one, that is much more straightforward, and in my opinion, more practical—ask them, what have they accomplished? Tell them to show you, rather than tell you. If someone is trying to dazzle you with test scores, ask them for achievements.

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This is a real question on Quora (feel free to leave him a comment):

I have an IQ level in the 99th percentile. Why do intellectual inferiors think that they can argue with me?

Mitchell Tsai

Mitchell Tsai, Classical violinist (1972–2018) & modern dancer (1990-2018).

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I don’t care if someone is “faking”, but I am interested in how smart someone is:

(a) I know what level to aim conversation.
(b) Are they a “know-it-all” (“cup-runneth over”) person, who wants to convince people of all their wonderful opinions & theories? But doesn’t listen well.

Usually from listening to a few sentences & observing body language, I can set a “floor” on possible intelligence.

However, high intelligence people often have a lot of practice dumbing things down in conversations. …and I would like to find these people & draw them out.


I DON’T usually ask difficult questions like “So how much do solar cells currently cost? Who makes the most efficient ones? What are the best research solar cell efficiencies and how can they improve their performance? What do you think are the most promising technologies, and where do you think costs will be in 10 years?”

That might embarrass someone in front of other people, and is not my intent.


So I ask in a subtler way
(a) so other people in the conversation will not notice
(b) so the speaker will not be embarrassed
(c) to see if the speaker notices if I seem to know the area
(d) to see they catch the hint to “stop showing off” (if they are)
(e) to see if they and I can have an interesting discussion

I drop a hints about something slightly beyond the level where the speaker is talking, something far beyond, and maybe something very far beyond.


So if someone’s talking about “Why don’t people use more solar?”

If I want to stay behind the scenes, I DON’T say “5 kW (enough for a house) at $0.35/kW = $1,750. 90% of the cost is installation & transformers to connect to the grid). Your 15K-30K estimate is super-high, and someone’s making a boat-load of profit.”

Rather…

I let people go on with “their spiel” and make an occasional comment.


je pourrais
(1) Mention “Wind turbines with Elon Musk’s stuff seem to be a good combo.” (Some recent studies have shown that the combination has lower cost than current oil/gas generation. Slightly better than solar & batteries).

,,,rather than something more direct like “Wind turbines and Elon Musk’s new batteries have cost X, which is lower than transitional cost Y, whereas current solar cost is still higher than Y.”


(2) Comment “Battery efficiencies certainly have gotten better than when I used to pedal 45 min on my bicycle…and the batteries would run out.”

…fishing to see if they know current consumer-available efficiencies are 17–21%. And research efficiencies are up to 44%.


(3) Could comment “Busbar & shading losses are changing.” or “Both mono and multi are improving”.

…this should lose most people. (A way out there statement).

But it should signal someone who knows a lot about solar power…that I might be knowledgable in this area.

…i’m fishing for someone super-smart that has ideas beyond what’s currently being done in industry.

I then have three outs.
(a) Jokingly say I was distracted. And ignore my comments.
(b) Explain the comments if people are interested
(c) Let speaker continue on their path…if they didn’t get the hint.

Mono- and multi-crystalline silicon are 90%+ of world solar cells. Best mono-Si efficiency is 25.6%. Slightly better than multi-Si at 21.3%. Mono-crystalline silicon has a higher quality crystal structure.

Currently there are five classes of silicon solar cell design: Aluminium back-surface-field (BSF), passivated emitter rear cell (PERC, and related designs, PERL and PERT), silicon-heterojunction, interdigitated back-contact cells and silicon-based tandem cells.

For Al-BSF and PERC, busbars on the front of a solar cell conduct power, but they block the cell below from receiving sunlight. So there is a tradeoff.

To improve this, there are two approaches people are trying: increase the number of busbars or remove them from the front surface.


En gros

(1) I try not to use jargon, so that everyone can understand my comments (to some degree). And I like to use easy-to-understand stories from my life.

(2) If I do use names & jargon, I throw them in very quickly and lightly to “see if there is any traction”.

(3) If there is no traction, I can disengage from the conversation without embarrassing the speaker (who is possibly trying to impress some other people).

(4) If there is traction, I try to find some levels where everyone will be interested in the conversation (e.g. mix up interesting stories & general ideas with more difficult questions about unknown aspects, future directions, and impacts on related/distant areas).


Here’s a more in-depth solar post.
Mitchell Tsai's answer to Why don't people adopt solar energy when they know it will reduce emissions/pollution and save them money, is the grid too cheap?

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Carol Rai

Carol Rai, studied Obstetrics and Gynecology at Medical

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I have few friends who’s iq's are quiet high(MENSA club) and i dated a person who was a faker.The difference is stark.From my observation ,they both start off similarly ,infact my genius friend ,looked quiet dull and dumb compared to my super faker (The faker ,showed me he could draw,paint,was tech savy and played the rubick cube,also he could change his accent,and his personality when the need arises,like a snake shedding its skin),then how did i know ?I noticed the following few points

  • A brilliant person ,is able to weigh a situation,and come up with a solution,without misguiding others.Yes,they hate burning their bridges and more inclined to do the right thing rather than choose a easy way out.They may not be so great in vocabulary ,despite which they are able to communicate to an extend but honestly .A fraud,usually uses perfect vocabulary,but their words will never be in sync with what is depicted.
  • A person who is brilliant in one field ,will find ways to collect as much as basics,when presented with a totally different field.Let me explain,my physician friend ,recently was interested in cosmic theory.This came about ,when we both were discussing investments.He is a tech geek,with zero knowledge of cosmic theory. Well,let me just say he educated himself enough to not only to explain but also address my questions,with such easy.A faker will read ,but will not understand.He will teach but cant address des questions.A phony will gather all materials ,but can never pen a story,despite his vocabulary command.
  • I believe in studies which indicates people with high iq ,do not cut corners nor are they deceitful.Under most circumstances,they are quiet transparent .But this does not mean they are not competitive.Yes,they are ,but with themselves.
  • Ideology of brilliant people can be extreme and diverse but they find plausible explanations to manipulate the questioner to accepting his point of view.A faker usually has one ideology “Follow the crowd”.A faker is often a coward,who will be deceitful and lie to get the results he wants to fit in with the crowd.He never makes,bold statements ,as he lacks a clear perspective and credibility.He knows where his bread is buttered and are usually sly.
  • A genius usually is obsessed with random things,that catches his fancy ,it can be anything ranging from watching planes,to watching a series to designing baby toys to assembling cars to writing codes(My best friend is extreme,he has synchronized his phone with his car ,his automatic door orders to his automatic house cleaning robo,all the while finishing Medical residency ).A fraud has no interest in advancing his knowledge,in any field and never grows out of his comfort zone.They often lack the insanity to learn and question,or think things through.Yes,an insanity that a genius will spend sleepless nights exploring.
  • A genius wants to understand your view,though he may absolutely laugh it off,but he will listen Just to argue.It kills a high iq person ,when an ordinary person can't understand a concept ,not in a condescending way but in an amazing way.A faker more likely will tell you how dull boring you are.

For people who always equate introversion to high iq,it's a myth that has been busted .My friends maintain a low profile and have dry humor,but boy oh boy ,you challenge them in their field of interest,they turn into savages.They talk and can even get sarcastic and rude.For example ;Bill gates who will listen carefully and tell you to your face ,that your idea is stupid and either improvises or discards the idea .With frauds ,you can never debate passionately ,as they will brand you as aggressive or stupid.

To quotes the famous lines

“The difference between a genius and faker is ,a genius has his limits.The majority of fakers are invincible.The terror of their tyranny is alleviated by their lack of consistence».

A high iq person may not be a realist,but it maybe so much easier learning from them and questioning them,rather than dealing with frauds who are not clear in their thoughts.A muddled idea can only result in a half baked action.

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